mot ([info]symmys) wrote,
@ 2007-12-09 19:06:00
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Youtube, Politics, Immigration
So, I still don't know who I want to vote for when the primary rolls around, but I'm starting to feel like I should have some more informed opinions. If you haven't yet seen You Tube's YouChoose site, you should.

Anyway, I'm still poking around, but I find myself again leaning toward Bill Richardson's camp. Of the candidates I've watched on immigration, he's the only one to appropriately reframe the issue.

Every time the democrats say "border security" or "secure our borders", they're reinforcing the message that A) we're under threat from immigrants B) the threat we're under is a security threat and C) we can secure our borders.

Idiocy.

Regardless of how you feel about immigration, anyone who's remotely informed understands that it is an economic issue. Border security does have an effect of course — it increases the number of deaths at the borders and it likely increases profits for coyotes (who may in fact be bad people). The one effect it certainly does not have is to reduce the number of undocumented immigrants coming into our country.

Richardson reframes the issue, calls the media on their racist crap, and suggests that if we want to reduce the number of immigrants, we need to start talking with other countries about job creation (i.e. we need to address the economic imbalance that leads immigrants to come here).

So here's a question: does Richardson have a chance? Are there reasons not like him as a third option (so far I'm inclined not to like Hillary because she's not a good enough orator and not to like Obama because he seems a little fluffy to me as of yet).

On a semi-related note, if you haven't seen this calculation, you should -- it's a simple bit of analysis quantifying just how much of a jerk you have to be to oppose immigration to the U.S.



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[info]moraulf
2007-12-10 02:39 am UTC (link)
Lately I've been horse-racing it...I find Richardson to not be articulate enough for me. I find Obama kind of fluffy, too, but he's better than Hillary, who seems gratingly insincere. The guy who always seems to make the most sense on many issues is Joe Biden, but I like the internationalist attitude he brings. Anyway, you don't really have the option of selecting Richardson or Biden, it's Hillary or Obama, and I choose Obama...it's a little sad. Still, the youtube link is fun.

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(Anonymous)
2007-12-12 05:05 am UTC (link)
you probably know that i am left of nearly all of the democratic candidates.

among the center-center candidates (as opposed to the right-of-center) candidates, richardson is definitely my favorite and i am seriously considering voting for him in spite of the fact that he is pretty far to the right of me and pretty mediocre on gay issues. this is because he is the only "mainstream" candidate that has the guts to be honest about immigration (as you have pointed out) and also because he has real foreign policy experience (which is painfully not true about obama) and is closer to me on foreign policy than clinton (on many issues--not just iraq; he is the only one with a real position paper on latin america, for instance).

of course, i have a pretty personal stake in immigration policy and that and the environment are probably my top two issues with health care coming in third.

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[info]drlynch
2007-12-12 05:29 am UTC (link)
that was me--i guess i got logged out.

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[info]moraulf
2007-12-12 12:33 pm UTC (link)
I mean, I agree with Richardson on immigration too, but doesn't his position make him inherently unelectable?

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[info]drlynch
2007-12-13 03:30 pm UTC (link)
i don´t vote on whether or not some one is electable. i am also not a democrat.

i vote for people that i believe will be good presidents. i also have never voted democratic in a final round of a presidential election although i always vote in democratic primaries in the hopes that a bill (bradley, richardson) or even a dennis is the nominee.

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